“usually I struggle to be argumentative but ….” However? “This time I struggle not to be.” And why? “More goes on the ballet of the ideological taboos, for example by repeating that the government wants to make a gift to the banks, the less we understand what problems we can solve in practice. Which is a shame. Politicians on Sunday, micro currents in search of an author: all chasing visibility or easy manipulation, no one who cares about the and how to solve the problems of people with the resources we have. ” Undersecretary to the Prime Minister Tommaso Nannicini ended the first round of meetings with unions on pensions and labor. He does not look happy with how things are going.
Susanna Camusso said that we are only to the securities. As if the government had reopened the consultation but only to pretend.
Is not it? “No, but it depends on what you mean by consultation. For me it is not a ritual but a tool that serves the policy to take its decisions independently. ”
But it’s just a coincidence that the meetings were commenced shortly before the vote for mayors and will continue until the referendum of October?
“Yes. The choices of work and pensions would be entered in the Budget Law to be presented after the summer. We get closer to that deadline and rightly give themselves a neat way to get to a shared framework. Or even not shared but after seeing all the positions. ”
Better shared or is it irrelevant?
“sharing is desirable but is not an end in itself. If we put ourselves at the table with the aim of finding an agreement on the mechanism jams. Begin the ideological disputes and we can not figure out how to improve the tools. Just what it is likely to happen. ”
So we come to the substance, starting from the advance pension. You said that will cover those up to three years from retirement. Possible that the measure will become wider and you get four years?
” It is one of the comparison objects, there are not foreclosed. It is important to note that the flexibility in output can not be free: apart from some proposals that had a casual relationship with the reality principle, and advanced so far all had a fixed cost for each year in advance. Ours is no exception, but differences of the other we can modulate this cost with a tax deduction that helps deserving of protection subjects. ”
For them, the penalty will be equal to zero?
“In the order of 1% a year. Almost zero. ”
This is just to those who have lost their job and is not eligible to go retirement?
“also, but not only. The cost will also be reduced for those who are under strong need: low income and on capital, or because it has a disease that does not allow him to get on with the job. ”
The mechanism is not likely to attract only those who have lost their jobs or earn well?
“On the contrary, I think it will be used primarily by vulnerable groups. Especially if the maximum penalty should not be small. ”
“It is early to say. First we have to create this tool. That, I say, is not a mortgage because they do not risk anything, or risk your heirs, do not go to the bank but INPS ‘.
And for those retirement takes it already? Confirms that no tax will raise the euro area in 8124, as for the employees?
“It is a theme that is dear to the government. A first step had already been done in the last law of stability, can now come second. ”
To extend the 80-euro bonus to minimum pensions it takes at least 2 billion. No way?
“It is one of the tools to support the adequacy of retirement income. But there are also others such as the fourteenth. ”
There is already now: a check for the extra year, between 300 and 500 euro, for those who take less than 10,000 euro gross per year .
“We could consider raising the maximum income threshold, or make the most generous allowance ».
It seems the hypothesis that the most convincing.
“The political decision is not up to me. But this tool has the advantage of being simple, drawn on a range of people who really need help. ”
And the degree of redemption? You will make flexible the sum to be paid?
“It is one of the discussion topics. But there are others that deserve more attention because they undergo stronger social needs. I think of the onerous ricongiunzioni. ”
That is, those who have changed jobs and to redeem the contributions must pay figures sometimes impossible.
“Exactly. If I worked a certain number of years that current legislation allow me to retire early I could. Point. Then the check will be paid by the different managements, pro quota for the years of payment. ”
But the flexible redeem degrees, does not take away resources to this operation. For the state it is at no cost.
“It is true for the future for pensions calculated only with the contribution system. For those who retire there is now a cost there. We’re trying to figure out how much. But if there is some redistribution to do, perhaps it would be right to think of others before the graduates. ”
“Italy is one of the few countries in the world linking the retirement age to life expectancy. But the life expectancy depends on many factors, for instance, is much higher for graduates. ”
So graduates have an advantage because they are living longer after being retired.
“That it is a bit ‘brutal. But yes, there is already an implicit redistribution in their favor. ”
In the law of balance there will be a cut in the tax wedge?
“First we have to complete the reduction of the discount of contributions for new permanent contracts. It’s been 36 months to 100% in 2015, 24-month to 40% this year. In 2017 it could last 12 months, with a percentage below 40%. At that point the structural intervention on the tax wedge would take effect with the law of the following year Budget ‘.
Secretary, to work in the government she froze a loan of 1.5 million euro for research about political mentality. What he learned in recent months, the political mentality?
“What’s the worst thing is not to live the vices of the activity that you are doing but lugging those of the first. ”
“If you can not take politics behind the intellectual rigidity of the researcher, thinking that both intellectual rigor. If you find you can not lug around some than the substance marketing orientation that is part of politics. To each his own vice. “
2 July 2016 (amendment 3 July 2016 | 10:16)
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